2018 f150 burning oil
My 2018 f150 wa as 2 qrts low at 1st oil change at
5k , checked at 8500 an 2 qts low, added 2 qts an
at 10k wa as another qt low already, they are doing
a lil consumption test an will check nxt week,
service said it's normal to burn a qt every 1k, I'm
like this is brand new 50k truck
Keep hounding the dealer and Ford reps, this is on them to remedy. I mean you bought and paid for a brand new truck to not put up with stuff like this.
it is not normal to burn oil in a f150 or any ford for that matter there is a issue with the oil pans leaking but you may have to remove the fiber belly pan to see it not sure if that is whats going on but you can contact ford customer service and the will open up whats called a cudl case and contact your dealer to see whats going on if they are not satisfied with the answer they will call out a field service engineer to look into the issue i would continue to hound them about it until its repaired
@Jake, there is no belly pan on the 2018 F-150. I own one. The OP never did say which engine is in the truck. Let Ford complete their oil consumption test and see what happens.
Several places have checked and there is no leak anywhere, never a drip n drive, it has the 5.0 v8, ford changed oil an marked stick, I hafta drive 1k then they check it an see how low, almost 1 at low at 800 miles so, Ford service keeps saying for a v8 burning 1 at per 1k is norm, my 2012 an 2006 didnt burn any and none of my friends w new fords burn oil
Anyone fix the 5.0L burning oil problem yet?
I have a 2018 f150 5.0l with 8300 miles...just coming up to first oil change (20 % of oil life left says dash) I am 2 quarts low and quite worried about it. Such a nice truck to have issues.
Change oil more often if you care about your truck. Change it every 5,000 miles and you probably will not have any significant oil consumption issues.
BS. NO NEW MOTOR WILL BURN THAT MUCH OIL IN LESS THAN 3000 MILES ON IT! That is indicative of rings not seating. I just dropped off my 2018 F150 Today for that very same issue. 31oo miles over 2 quarts gone, Not Normal!
2018 F-150 5.0 Oil disappearing from first oil change, played oil consumption test with dealership several times, contacted Ford after they spoke to dealership they decided to fix by replacing head's which makes little sense to me, after tearing engine down they found scoring in cylinders so they are replacing the whole motor, they have had my truck for 7 weeks, nice huh
Just bought a new 2018 F150 XLT with a 5.0 in October. Engine check light came on around 5k miles. Needed two courts of oil. Looks like this is just going to worse in time!
Anyone’s coolant level disappearing along with the oil?
Having the very same issue with my 2018 F150 V8. I also noticed my chrome tail pipe is brown with with residue. I have 2,800 miles on this thing. I have never experienced this with any new vehicle. This is definitely a problem. Can anyone say class action lawsuit!
My brothers just finished oil consumption test replacing engine mine is doing the same 2018 f150 v8
Please post which engine you are having problems with.
Same here. The dealer said is was normal during a break-in period. Didn't know new vehicles had a break-in period. It's still using about 1 1/2 quarts per two tanks of gas. Headed back to the dealer tomorrow. Over 45 grand and will have to bum rides if they have to fix it.
I just bought a new 2018 F150 sport 4x2 5.0 in June and checked my oil at 2600 miles. It's lost 1 1/2 quarts. I had a 2012 F150 (also a 5.0) and never had a problem with it burning oil. I traded the 2012 in at 20k miles. Has anyone received an answer from Ford about the true cause of this problem and what they are going to do? I bought this truck out of state and none of the dealers near me want to touch it even though it has less than 3k miles and is under warranty.
is this a very common problem? Has ford figured out a fix yet? I'm looking at buying a 2018 f150 v8 used with 17k on it. should I just go stick with Toyota ?
My F150 is burning oil at an unbelievable amount. I've had it 9 months and have had to add oil at least a 9 times. The first was about 2 months after I leased it. I drove from NJ to Rhode Island and when I got there I had to put in 4 quarts. Since then it's only been getting worse. It's a leased vehicle and I'm adding oil at least once a month. I bring it to Ford to check and add oil on a monthly basis and so it's being documented. As for an answer they have none. So for now all I can tell you is keep bringing it to Ford let then check and fill your oil tank and have them document it. Hopefully something will be done eventually.
Mike, how long did they do the oil consumption test before deciding on new engine? They just started consumption test on mine just want to know what to expect or ask for
I have a 2018 Ford Lariat and they had to replace the Engine at 32,000 kms On my second engine and it is still burning Oil. The Dealer doesn't know what the problem is. V8 5.0 litre 10 speed Tranny
My 2018 5.0 with 18k miles is at the dealer right now with knock/rattle and transmission issues. They want to do an oil consumption test because it has lost 2 quarts of full synthetic in 2000 miles. They are starting with a fresh oil change using Ford oil and filter. Should be interesting to see how much it's looses the first 1k miles.
I had to go through the consumption test run around twice. Both times they said it was within the normal range and refused to do anything. Consuming more than a 1 qt every 1000 miles is not normal. Ford customer website says "Quick Tip Your motor oil should be changed every 5,000- 10,000 miles, depending on your vehicle’s model year and driving conditions. Many newer Ford vehicles have an Intelligent Oil-Life Monitor that can help you keep track of when an oil change is needed. Between changes, your vehicle’s oil level can drop a bit within the normal range. However, if it drops to the “MIN” mark or lower between oil changes, you should take the vehicle to your local Ford Dealership and let the factory-trained technicians inspect it. The fix can be as simple as a new oil pan gasket. So, they say here it's not normal. I brought this up to them and all the sudden I'm getting a new long block. https://owner.ford.com/support/how-tos/vehicle- care/oil-change/how-to-check-and-add-motor- oil.html
Ford has went to a plasma coated cylinder wall for 2018 5.0 engine. I have the same problem as well just bought my truck 4 months ago and is burning one quart per thousand miles. Ford should own up that they made a mistake and make everyone's truck right
Ford has went to a plasma coated cylinder for the 2018 f150 5.0 engine. The other models had steel cylinder sleeves. Ford should stand behind this and make it right. I bought my new f150 5 months ago and I'm burning oil as well about 1qt per 1000 miles
Just getting in line...purchased 2018 F150 5.0 in October, checked oil yesterday 3-10-19, indicates about 1.5-2.0 quarts low. Called dealership, seems like they never heard of the issue. Sounds like the best avenue will be a class action lawsuit. Does anyone have information how those get started or organized?
Ford Has a TSB our for this issue. 19-2058. Change the PCV and oil consumption test every 200 miles for 3,000 miles. If used a quart or more in 3,000 miles, the engine will be replaced. (Long Block)
Just to share the facts about the problems with all F150 engines from the V6 to the V8. They, in fact, do burn a lot of oil brand new and you can go to the dealer and pull the hose off between the PCV and the intake manifold. You will find fresh oil in it with only a few miles on the odometer and BRAND NEW. We see f150's burn anywhere from 1-3 quarts of oil. between oil changes. ( The norm is around 4-8 ounces between oil changes will be sucked through the PCV system and get ingested into the intake manifold and degrades the octane rating and will even reduce MPG and engine performance. The first fix to slow oil ingestion is to go to a heavier weight oil until the engine is properly broken in. Then you can either keep the heavier weight or go back to the factory recommended. Second most important addition is to install a UPR Dual Valve Catch Can to eliminate any oil from being ingested into the engine through the PCV system and gunking up the motor and killing MPG and Vehicle Performance. You can look up UPR F150 Catch Cans on the internet and even see video's of them being installed. You will see improved MPG and notice a much crisper throttle from a UPR catch Can. Just wanted to share and hope this helps a bit.
Thanks for the fix options. Wouldn't I be voiding my warranty if I go those routes?
Yes, it could potentially void your warranty. Let Ford play their game but stay on them to get it fixed. They have to fix it in a timely manner or run the risk of having it lemoned due to time down and or number of unsuccessful attempts to fix the problem.
Took my 2018 150 STX with 20000 miles in yesterday after losing two quarts in two weeks. Mine is now under the consumption protocol as others have mentioned. The way I understand it is that if mine burns more than a quart in 3000 miles I get a new motor.
When adding a catch can we generally recommend running the catch can and for warranty work it should always be removed. There are a few reasons we run into on a regular basis and the first is dealer and service techs are not trained to understand the PCV oil ingestion issues. So they out of ignorance and usually trying to dodge a claim will blame the catch can or say it's not factory and that must be the problem as they do with exhaust and cold air intakes. The next reason is we always see them run the lines backward and or break the catch can system when removing or reinstalling. Most importantly is we never like to give Ford any reasons to challenge a warranty. Most of the dealers our customers go to ask and show their service writers the UPR Plug n Play™ Catch Can Systems as we use only braided line and all factory style plug and play connectors. The quality and components of our kits exceeds anything ford uses on their vehicles in the PCV system. We see this regularly as it's very common across all trucks from Dodge, GM, and Ford as we sell catch can systems for all of them and get feedback from all the end users on how much oil they capture and the oil ingestion their trucks are experiencing. Dodge has always burned the most oil as I owned a ran 1500 and a 300srt8 and they would normally collect 4-6 ounces or more of oil in 1000 to 1500 miles. The simple fix was to just add a heavier weight oil as the manufacturer would always say a quart or so on the consumption every 3000 is normal for the engines that were a bit looser. I would always just run a 50 weight mobil one as it does not cause pre-ignition like cheaper oils and will last between 6000 to 7000 miles per oil change and was worht the added cost. As far as lemon law and unsuccessful attempts to fix it I see different results everytime and always like to do whatever I can to have my vehicle run the best at all times and just update the vehicle to the better oil and install a catch can for oil consumption issues. I hate to live going back and forth to th dealer and all the time wasted. Just my experience and time is too valuable to allow something so simple steal my time or waste my thoughts. I have a 2016 explorer 3.5 and 2018 F150 that have both been converted to the 50w mobil one and run catch cans. Yes, they both consume a lot of oil directly from ford and now they don't use moree than half a quart and return the best performance.
My 2018 F-150 is also burning through oil. I've actually got engine issues now. Ford is telling me there is no issue however and that it is my fault. Did I mention there's 8051 miles on it at the moment and I did an oil change just shy of 5000 miles?
Running the heavier 50w oil and using Mobil one or an oil that is not combustible in the cylinder will help. Also, we offer a one way breather filter that replaces the oil cap and it eliminates all the positive crankcase pressure and will further reduce oil consumption. Feel free to email me at firstname.lastname@example.org if you would like to control the F150 oil consumption and this we offer solutions and help for all ecoboost and 5.0 engines.
I pulled up this thread today while at my first visit to dealer checking for oil consumption. I saw the post above about TSB 19-2053. I asked and they confirmed monitoring using this bulletin. Said it looked fine after 300 miles.
In process of oil consumption test and they changed the PCV valve. I have to drive it for 3k miles to see if any oil loss after this process. Anyone get this done yet and did it fix the issue???
Yes, per the TSB, most people complaining of this oil consumption issue will have the pcv valve changed first. It’s brown and on the passenger head. Mine was changed and I’m about 950 miles into the consumption test and they marked the dipstick and as of now, no loss of oil. Of course we have 2,000 more miles to go but it looks promising. We’ll see
I have 2018 Ford F150 with V8 and had to put 2 quarts oil in before 3000 miles. Have continued to see oil consumption issue along with engine pinging. I am taking it to 2nd dealership, have a Regional Manager involved. If it fails new oil consumption test, will be getting new engine.
Very important you run a 50w synthetic by mobil one as it will not allow detonation/pinging and improve performance until you get the problem figured out and explain the reason you switched is to stop the detonation as it will absolutely kill the rings if you keep hearing it. You can also install a UPR catch can to stop the oil from entering the cylinders and causing detonation. I am not soliciting you and only recommending what will keep your engine in one piece and performing well until you get it fixed. UPR part number 5030-228 and you don't need any of the options listed unless you want to choose a black or silver catch can. Either way please get mobil one oil or a synthetic oil that's not combustable to stop the detonation.
A great video explaining what a catch can does is at the link. Oil catch cans DO NOT slow or stop oil consumption, they just catch the oil and other gunk that normally goes through the intake and you will have to raise the hood and empty the can periodically. Secondly if my dealership catches you running a 50 weigh oil in an engine that requires 5w20 the warranty on the engine may be rendered void if you have an oil related issue. UPRjoe doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground. He is just trying to make money on your problem. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1105229_what-the-heck-does-an-oil-catch-can-do
I am glad you made this post as it represents exactly what makes people afraid of with most dealerships. All the Ford dealerships in our area and that have dealer accounts with UPR have taken the time to learn and understand the PCV system. Most dealers try to improve their offerings and servicing their customers. Please read my post before you try to sound like an authority and miss the fact that the 50w oil is what slows the consumption down. I am working with multiple dealers in our area and across the country that care about helping the customer and not what weight oil they're running. A properly designed catch can like our patented designs with their internal coalescing chambers do not slow oil pulled through the PCV. They stop the OIL INGESTION that causes detonation and degradation of the octane of the fuel and reduces the overall efficiency of the engine and lowers gas mileage. Which is the number one cause of that pinging sound when towing or at low loads when you blip the gas peddle. So basically you're telling the readers to leave the thin motor oil and let the motors drink it like lava and damage the pistons and rings from the raised heat and misfires that cause the pinging over and over? Is that what I'm seeing. Be sure to leave the name of your dealership and service department, so all the readers know where not to go. We have extensive experience with the PCV system, and the video you shared a link to is like explaining internal combustion showing a stick and a fire. The catch can they show a cheap welded can that has a simple in and out and no real internal balling or chambers. The design is one of the standard ineffective cheap eBay designed catch cans. They can't even explain what the internals of the catch can do let alone explain the real problem is with the PCV system and Blowby is not it the problem and only a byproduct. See the image of UPR's patented design, and that is what a real properly functioning catch can internal design looks like. You need to have multiple stages to control airspeed, and oil vapor/mist as it coalesces to it can collect more at each diffuser until the air is cleaned and returned to the intake air stream. Each of the systems we developed is tuned for the vacuum and airspeed of the PCV system to accommodate each engine down to the fitting orifices and the micron of each screen separating each stage. Here is a picture of the most advanced catch can system in the marketplace and it just happens to be a UPR Catch Can design that was awarded a UTILITY patent by the USPTO to protect the function of the catch can and it's design. I hope you can find something better to do than trolling the boards where people need help and are all here to share their problems and just figure out what to do as they have invested a lot of money in a new vehicle only to be ignored or misinformed by dealership flunkies.
50W oil? Why not use grease or 140W axle oil? Even if you do not damage your engine you will lose power and fuel economy.
I too have a new Ford F-150 with a 5.0 V-8, and it was consuming about 1 quart every 2000 miles brand new. Took it in to a dealer and am under an oil consumption test per TSB 19-2053. Before starting the test, they changed the PCV valve. After about 1000 miles into the test, I would estimate that my oil consumption is now about 1 quart / 7000 miles. Hard to believe the PCV valve could make that big of a change. Better changing it out versus a whole new engine. Will try to remember to post after a few more thousand miles on the engine. Now has 6000 total miles on the engine.
We use 50w oil in engines that burns oil or gets a lot of blow-by and it always improves the MPG as it does not let a fraction of the oil escape or get ingested and when the oil is warm and a good quality oil it's only beneficial. It does not lose fuel economy when comparing the alternative and since we dyno tons of engines, the benefits of super light synthetic is for tight engines that don't burn oil and are trying to squeeze out a few horsepower at the expense of protection.
I mentioned to my service manager, parts manager and 2 Ford certified master techs that you were recommending using a 50wt oil in the new 5.0 Ford engines. The comments were interesting and ranger from dumb, stupid, engine warranty void and that you were an idiot. People, please DO NOT put a 50wt oil in your Ford engines unless it calls for that weight in the owner's manual.
This is for the engines consuming a lot of oil anything that is tight can just switch to a good synthetic and that's fine. I do remember this discussion is about the engines that are looser and or ingestion abnormal amounts of oil. Not one dealer we have heard from is even remotely concerned with warranty as they understand the oil properties. The only place that 50 weight oil is not recommended is below freezing temps as it takes longer to circulate. The 5.0 engine was designed to be a higher tolerance engine and the reason for so many failures and cylinder wall coating issues is they have been slapped together and suffered a lot from the lack of tight tolerances. Either way the moral of the story is if your burning a lot of oil you can run a thicker oil and greatly reduce the oil consumption and improve performance until your resolve the true problem and or warranty repairs it. Largest Mustang Aftermarket Retailer in the World Sells Synthetic 5W50 for all 79-19 Mustangs. Hmmm, I guess they are idiots as well? https://www.americanmuscle.com/redline-5w50-oil.html
Just Google "Catch Can Warranty Debate" and read the tales of woe from new truck owners who found out the hard way what engine and emission system modifications do to your warranty.
Ford is the most popular vehicle that NEEDS Catch Cans on their 5.0 and Ecoboost engines as they are notorious for oil ingestion. If anyone worry's about warranty just run it by your dealer to put your mind at ease. Or just do what the majority does and run a catch can and remove it before warranty so the tech do not ruin it or install it incorrectly. Since the dealer has little experience with catch can they generally hook up the systems backward and could care less.
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Education on problems with solutions and beneficial products are the key. As I am not saying buy our products and only explaining with reasons and what continually works on the F150's as I have close to 30,000 F150 customers a year that we service and no one has better first-hand knowledge than us for with F150 burning oil and oil ingestion. We are even coming out with adjustable flow valves for the PCV as they can greatly reduce oil consumption. I stand behind everything I say as it only comes from dealing with the exact issues day in day out. The feedback we get from the F150 owners and Tech's that help us has been critical to making the F150 a much better vehicle.
If Ford denies a warranty repair will Catch Can Joe buy you a new engine? Doubtful.
2018 f150 5.0 liter engine My 2nd post. This truck is using 2 quarts of oil every 7500 miles. 8300 miles it was down 2 quarts. Now 15400 miles its down 2 quarts again. Still looking for an answer.
FYI for anyone owning a 2018 F150 5.0. TSB 19-2058 Excessive Oil Consumption https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachments/19-2058-pdf.345121/ Go to the above link and download the TSB and read through it about the 2018 F150 engine problem and how to diagnos it.
I have a 2017 F150 5.0 that was made in late March 2017. It currently has 16k miles on it. I recently changed my oil and for some reason, poured it back in the jugs to recycle instead of just leaving it in the oil drain pan. It was 2 quarts low. I guess where I am going with this is, is it a 2018 5.0 problem or are other years affected as well? Or do I have a block with the different cylinder wall coating? I love this truck, I hate to have to trade it because of this.
Should be a different block if its a 2017 F150. 2011 to present F150 5.0's all have the potential to ingest large amounts of oil and it depends on the pcv fitting, ring seal, and how tight the valves are. They will determine the amount of blowby caused that leads to 90% of the excessive oil loss that many 5.0 owners are experiencing.
Considering Ford makes their own catch can available through Ford Performance, they are certainly not snake oil. They do exactly what Joe says they do and are on 10's of thousands of 2011+ 5.0 Mustangs alone.
Add me to the list. 18 F150, 5.0. 1 quart low at 2200, did the first courtesy oil change around 4000. Have had to add 2 quarts since the first oil change. Getting it into dealer for the oil consumption test but also opened up support case with Ford to have it documented.
my 2018 5.0 is also useing oil about 2 quarts in 1500 miles it currently has 32000 miles has been to the dealer 5 times for transmission issues and noise in the mar and also had the touch screen and computer replaced starting the consumption test today said to bring to the dealer every 200 miles and would have to wait 20-30 min to check oil truck been in the shop more han 30 days in less than a year
are the 2019 having same issue?
My 2018 F-150 4x4 Supercrew Lariat w 5.0 v8 is my 3rd F-150 and the other 2 never used oil between changes now I just drove from Utah to Vermont oil changed at 29,438 at Ford dealer checked oil at 33,343 used full synthetic 5W-20 drove 3,905 miles and used 3 quarts oil. When I checked the oil it was just a drop on the end of the dip stick. This is not right on a $59,355.00 vehicle!
Does anyone know why the 2019 5.0 engines are made in Canada? Did they go back to the old engine design without the plasma coated cylinder walls that they went to for 2018 in the f150 5.0
Hello JimF150Guru - thank you for your post. I am still mulling it over in my head as to action I plan to take. All I know is whatever I have to do.. I'm not going to allow Ford to screw me. It's beginning to sound like legal action may be in order. I'm so let down right now on "Built Ford Tough".. and NO, IT ISN'T RIGHT on a vehicle this expensive. Not at all.
I hate to ask a question in the answer section but I want to keep it with this post. Does anyone know why the 2019 f-150 5.0 engines are made in Canada? Has Ford went back to the steel sleeved cylinder walls for the 19 models? The 18 year models have a plasma coated cylinder wall. Anyone else think that this could be the reason behind the oil consumtion
Had my PCV valve changed according to TSB, I’m at 1,600k miles and oil has gone down just a tad from previous would be over a quart and a half I’d have to add. Has anyone had this done and has it fixed the issue?
Mine's in the shop now - they re-flashed the transmission for (TSB 18-2274) and are setting up for the oil test (TSB 19-2058) now. Just hung up with an area manager I opened a case with at Ford directly, as I want to go on record early. All she would say is that there was "...an issue in manufacturing that has now been addressed". Still don't know true root cause. If mine comes back and they want to replace the engine, I will explore any and all options. That's not what I bought and paid for. Ford charges a helluva lot of $$ for these vehicles. Waay too much for this shit to be going on. The lady now has a 'colorful' recording of our conversation. We'll see what happens.
I have been going though oil consumption testing for two months and about 2000 miles on my 2108 5.0. The oil level appears to be down 2 quarts. The dealer said its down 1 quart though, which is still enough to contact corporate about getting a new long block. I should know if I am getting a new engine early next week I'm guessing. This dealer said they have replaced two engines for oil consumption so far. Mine would be the 3rd. The alternative to a new engine would be a buy back. In my state, lemon laws allow Ford to back charge for mileage on the vehicle at the time of the buy back. Going that route would cost me $7k based on my mileage. New engine is my best route unfortunately.
Just added one quart of oil to my 2018 F150 5.0L engine right at 3,000 miles. I was not worried too much until I came in here and read all of the comments.
Dewi50 - Will be picking mine up today or tomorrow to start the 3000 mile road test to see how much it consumes - this after they reflashed the PCM and replaced the PCV valve. Fingers crossed, good luck with yours . :p
took mine to the dealer agin 1st was told that the consumption test that they would over fill one quart and i would bring in in a week i did the level was between the lines in 5 days it was at the top line the day i brought it home then week number 2 it is where it is in the pic a def rattle when it first shifts if you are not very high on rpms they changed the pcv valve 2nd trip back to the dealer after me waiting 45 min to get them to check the oil the tell me that is is only a quart low?? think the dipstick showes otherwise and if they overfilled one quart wouldnt that ean it had burnt 1 1/2 quarts in 2 weeks? also i have a dash cam in the truck upon checking it the dealer never checked the oil at all
pelfrey8 Clearly the oil is a quart and 1/2 low. I can't believe about the dash cam and them not even checking the level at all - wow, great evidence to document. I'd think an area manager would definitely be interested in that aspect, that their "factory trained technicians" didn't even put forth the effort to check their own test? That should go a long way if you end up negotiating a buy back or replacement option.
Also 2018 5.0V8 Oil Consumption issue! I have a 17 year old Dodge Ram that has been through 3 generations and 2 teenagers that uses less oil than my Brand New 2018 F150! WTH Ford.... FIX THE PROBLEM!
I want my truck replaced.. not just the long block. I bought and paid for a "brand new truck" and that's what I want. Nothing more-nothing less. Seems fair.
This is at exactly 3,000 miles and PCV change. Same mechanic did all TSB required things and had been checking it. He brings dipstick in and shows me AND the service manager....she says, it’s “so close” and Ford “won’t warranty it” and didn’t even bother to submit it for a claim. I feel robbed, just completely robbed. What a shame for Ford to allow this to happen to so many of us.
To GuruC7J6F: I don't know if it would do any good (and pls forgive if you've already taken this step), but might be worth a shot to call Ford directly, ask to be contacted by an area manager - make the case to that person, as clearly your engine should be considered a candidate for replacement. At the VERY least they will offer you an extended drive train warranty.
Just checked the oil level on my 2018 F-150 / 4W Supercrew 5.0L V8, Last checked when I had driven 3,905 miles used 3 Quarts then drove 868 miles just added 1.5 Quarts to bring it back to full using 5w-20 Full Synthetic. My time is important and busy but will get it to the dealer next week. But because of this forum I'm prepared. THANK YOU all !!!!
I'm going to ask this question one last time in the answer section in hopes that it will help all of us that have the 2018 Ford F150 with 5.0 engine burning oil. The question is does anyone know why for 2019 they went to engines built out of Canada for the 5.0 engine. Maybe they went back to the old design Engine with the steel sleeve cylinder walls. In 2018 the 5.0 engine went to a plasma coated cylinder wall it did not have the steel sleeved cylinder walls, maybe this could be the reason behind the large amounts of oil being burned. I can't get any answers from the dealership they say the engines are the same I say a bull crap
Add one more. Purchase 2018 F-150 5.0 on 3/21/19. Heard a noise that sounded like valves clapping. Checked oil on 5/18/19 and you guessed it. See the attached photo and I would guess at lease 2 low at 1380 miles. Truck sat in the driveway for two days. Took it back on 5/14/19 and you guessed it. Service representative told me this was highly unusual. They gave me the last two pages of the TSB and started the consumtion test. Now I find out Ford and Plant Ford of Houston knowingly and willingly sold this vehicle on the basis of an unsespecting buyer. Question for anyone. Why did the TSB not inform the dealer to check all fluid levels prior to the sale. Also, I wonder if the EPA would be intersted in that fact these trucks are releasing a quart of burnt oil into the air every 1000 miles. If anyone finds a lawyer who can handle this. Please posts the contact information. I contacted lemon law lawyer who told m I have to document thru the warranty process.
I got my 2018 F-150 4x4 5.0 V8 Supercrew into the dealer yesterday and started the excessive oil consumption test in accordance with Ford's Technical Service Bulletin 19-2133 except they did not have in stock a PVC valve so I have to go back in for them to change that. Another F-150 was also in at the same time with the same problem, at least Ford is now admitting there is a problem with this 5.0 V8 engine ! The dealer said that if the oil consumption test shows excessive oil use than a new Long block will be installed. I'm not a mechanic and have limited knowledge about replacing a Long Block is there potential problems down the road with an engine that has had this procedure????
What’s the difference between a long block and a short block engine replacement ? I have a 2018 ford truck with the 5.0 l ,Engine destroyed due to piston fracturing and valve pieces damaging engine with 1,200 miles on it .FORD DEALER REPLACED THE ENGINE ON 2/10/19 with a short block.
Short block is the lower (bottom) part of the engine, ie the block itself, crankshaft, rods, and pistons. Long block is the entire engine minus the intake, ie the short block plus the heads/cams. Either way you're basically getting a new engine.
The service writer at my dealership told me just drive it until the oil light comes on and dont add any oil to it during and when the engine lets go they will replace it. At the time they already haf 4 5.0 engines boxed up to go back to ford
Thanks Ken F for the explanation on the engine ,that explains what the dealer did, now i will see how long this one lasts .I i hope that it doesn’t burn or use oil . Thanks ,tom
Can anyone answer my question? I have a 2019 F- 150 5.0 and it’s lifted and sits level compared to factory rake , I always check oil in my driveway that’s slightly up hill, how would this affect my dip stick reading?
father in-law has a 2018 over 10,000 miles on it now 2 oil changes they have been doing the oil test hewn threw 4 qt the first change and 6 the second change. his 1997 4,6 with over 270,000 miles uses 2 quarts in 5,000. so something is wrong.
Brought a brand new 2018 F150 4/10/18 - it was burning oil from day one, i took it too 3 dealerships, and the last one finally acknowledged there was a problem. I will be getting my truck back today with a new engine - the entire process took over a year...What a joke for what they charge you for a truck now a days.
I bought a 2018 F150 with 9000 miles on it. I noticed it losing about a 1/2 qt of oil every 1000 miles. The Ford dealership has changed the oil and is checking the oil consumption every 1000 miles. This is a known problem with the 2018 F150's but It appears that the dealership is just spinning me in circles. Not sure who to contact to get resolution though.
GuruSRX7Y, so the Ford dealer is following the instructions of the technical service bulletin and you think they are spinning you in circles? Be patient, you dealer is doing what Ford told them to do. It will get resolved.
I have a 2018 (love my truck but enough is enough ) i went trhough the oil consumption test got truck back a 10 days ago truck is now about a quart low :( about 1000 miles
Same experience here in Moose Jaw, Canada. F150 5.0 down 2 litres, although dealer is saying 1.5 litres. They've started the consumption test. They told me it's normal to be down 1 litre after 4300 kms. Seems a little excessive to me.
My answer to this oil burning problem is,I WON"T BE BUYING A FORD TRUCK!
Andy, you are so clever. A Dodge owner perhaps?
Two qrts. Low at 4700 miles. Took to Dealer and they replaced the PCV, Pan gasket, and reflashed the EC. They are doing the oil consumption test now. At 4000 miles down about 1/3 of a quart. Going on a 2000 mile trip pulling a 3500 lb. Trailer. Dealer said to watch the oil level and to bring in when I get back. Will post results when I return.
burning oil since day1..low oil light came on at 1800 miles...dealer changed pvc and valve covers at 3200 miles...3600 miles down a quart...lol..im going to wait till low oil pressure light comes on again then bring it back for the 6th time...lol..all i can do is be patient and get this resolved .
I have been fallowing this for some time now since I drove from Utah, with fresh oil change at a Ford dealer, to Vermont and the oil level was just a drop on the bottom of the dip stick. My Vermont dealer changed the PCV valve and started the oil consumption test as per Technical Service Bulletin for 5.0L excessive Oil Consumption # 19-2133 May 10, 2019 after driving 2,788 miles the oil level was below the add oil line. This is excessive oil use so with no problem the dealer will arrange to replace the engine long block, order time for the engine is about 2 weeks and a few days to do the swap and will loan me a 4x4 so as I can tow my boat while the repair is made. I may not do the swap and order a new F-150 and let them deal with the engine swap they are giving my time to decide. This dealer will always have my business as they have been honest and no hassle willing to do what ever it takes to keep a customer happy. They have already done replacements and have two others in the same state as mine. So I have no problem starting with another F-150 as I know the dealer will stand behind it.
I just got my truck back today with a new engine.After the first 1500 miles it was using 1 qt,then 1 qt at 3000.dealer than changed oil and it stayed at that rate.I was told that would be okay.Then the engine started to get noisy,very bad at an idle.After is got to 10000 miles with another oil change at 7500 at no charge by dealer.It then got noisier and was going through at 1000 miles.tech then changed oil at 10000 miles at no charge and put in a new pcv valve.We then checked the oil every friday and documented it.Last friday it was 900 miles and down 1 qt. new engine ordered that day and arrived tuesday pm,Vehcile was brought in wednesday am and i got it back today at 130 pm.Sounds much better will try and see how it goes,but the turn around time was great.
I had the same problem Ford is putting in a new engine
Ford has put out an TSB on the ford F150 V8 5.0 Concerning this Matter of oil disappearing. look it up and show it to your dealership.
Ford replaced my engine after oil consumption test. Took three days to get my truck back. New engine burning more oil than original engine. I was told three weeks ago that they are no longer replacing engines. Apparently the problem is with the programming of the PCV valve. New programming coming out sometime in December. Called my dealership last week and the programming is not out yet. They claim that it will resolve the problem.
Sometimes it will reduce the oil consumption as these engines have high vacuum always as they're designed that way to increase engine performance and higher vacuum equals better ring seal and overall performance. In turn the problem we see most is they ingest a lot more oil and this is why we developed the UPR Adjustable Billet PCV Valve. I'm only here to provide a solution for the guy's that have issues and just want a simple way to be able to take some control of their problem without getting the runaround. The part number is a 5045-24 and you can email email@example.com to order the part direct as we have sold tons of these and it will reduce the excessive oil getting sucked through the PCV system. Simply install the smallest restrictor jet in the adjustable PCV valve to reduce the vacuum signal by almost 50%. This is consistently delivers the best results from the PCV system and makes a noticeable reduction in the amount of oil ingested/consumed between oil changes. This has been a solid fix for all the late model Fords and has been developed for the 5.0 platform and we have even been seeing great results with the V6 and ecoboost platform. Hope this helps and feel free to reach out for any questions as our only concern is to help and educate the end users with real world solutions. I own 9 Fords from the oldest being a 2009 Shelby and the newest being a 2020 Explorer ST and we have 2016 and newer F150 and Explorers as they are the most popular vehicles Ford makes that all have oil ingestion issues. We are continually developing new solutions and products for all these vehicles as oil consumption is a very big problem in the industry with all the major manufacturers. Thank you, Joe
So I was in at my dealer today and they did the new flash on my engine. This update also comes with a free oil change as they have to monitor the oil again! They also have an upgraded dip stick which is on back order. Now this is very interesting. Why a new dip stick? Now this is my opinion but I think the add and full level markings are going to be different. More likely not in my favour. They also claim that this new fix also gets rid of the popping noise I’m getting during de acceleration. Well the popping noise is still there. Not surprised!!!! I will go through the motion for the next 4800 KM. If it’s still burning oil at the end of the consumption test then I am going to push for a buy back. It’s obvious to me that Ford has no clue how to rectify the problem. The next few months will be very interesting.
I have a 2018 f150 5.0 that i leased thankfully. I changed oil at 7700 miles and at 13000 miles right before second oil change it started knocking like you were hitting the block with a hammer. I immediately changed the oil and it was 3.5 quarts low. If you're looking at buying a new truck do yourself a favor and drive past the ford dealer.
Went in to my ford dealership today to get my new dipstick installed in my new engine. I asked the shop Forman to show me my original dipstick along with the new one. We compared both dipsticks and not to my surprise my suspicion was right. Turns out that the overall length is 1/2” longer on the new one. The crosshairs on the original stick is 3/8” long and on the new dipstick the crosshair is 3/4” long. Now to me that tells me that instead of one quart of oil to top off is now going to be 2 quarts. In other words ford is trying to make us believe that the new TSB that came out in December of 2019 which is a computer flash to reprogram the PCV valve along with a new dipstick will fix the oil consumption problem. They must think that I have recently fallen off the turnip truck but they will have a fight on their hands. For those of us that are in Canada there is an organization called Camvap that could help us with a buy back. Camvac stands for Canadian motor vehicle arbitration plan. For one I will make use of their services.
Here is a picture of the original and the new dipstick for the 2018 f-150 5.0.
I was given a new dipstick a week prior to Christmas. My computer was flashed on the truck. The first thing I checked was to see how the new one compared to the old. They are trying to make us all think it's a permanent fix and it's not. I was to get a new motor and two days later Ford called the dealer and told them it wouldn't do any good and they did not put in the new motor. I asked for a buy-back when it had 6500 miles on it. That didn't go over well. I'm willing to join any class action as soon as anyone gets it started. The Better Business Bureau wasn't much help. Charles Bradford firstname.lastname@example.org
It's because of this type of sh^t, I ended up trading out of my 18 F150 5.0. I had such high hopes, had researched all brands for over a year while we saved up for a HUGE downpayment (so our monthly payment would not be like a mortgage) ... my build was affected by 5 TSB's all centering around known quality issues, it was too much for me at a 52,000 price point. I tried to get them to buy back - but they just tossed a couple ESP's at me to appease. I heard somewhere that when the Dearborn and Kansas City production lines are in full swing, they're literally cranking out an F150 every 48 seconds. You simply cannot do that without sacrificing quality. So ... I ended up getting a Jeep truck, always wanted one. So far the build quality meets my expectations, and then some. And even though it's a mid-size payload is 1600, and towing 7000. Payload about the same rating as my F150. I wish you guys all the best in running this down and holding Ford accountable.
Here is some more concrete info on the latest tsb on the 5.0 liter f150 motor. Now they are taking another stab at it, seems like a shotgun I don’t have a clue Ford approach. I had new motor installed under initial tsb, new motor with 10k on it burns little over a quart in 3k miles. Original engine burned two quarts in 3K. So new motor didn’t resolve, shocker. Had attached tsb performed and we will see. Good work Ford, have fun getting run out of business by Elon! What a shame, really wanted to like my new F150, if this is the bar - well, nough said. JOKE, I hope in some small way we are all putting a dent in fords ass by sharing here, let’s keep holding them accountable. This is for the guys/gals that want a factory fix, not an aftermarket bandaid, stop with the product advertisements! Hope this helps...
Also note this is for 2018-2020 trucks, wow....
I'm having oil burning issues as well , already have a new engine put in and still burning. Does anyone know if a class action law suit has been filed. I am seriously considering taken legal action and am currently seeking leagal advice.
yes you can file with classaction.org. Greg Coleman Law Firm will contact you from Tennessee. we all need to file a claim Ford needs to stand behind this issue
We all bought New. 2018 model Ford F150s with the 5.0 and it should perform as one
And that new dip stick thing is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen
same shit on mine and my brothers they replaced my brothers engine same deal losing oil. Mine reads nothing after 5k the throttle is making knocking noises they marked the dipstick and then make you wait 3 hours to check it when you bring it back the service dude said they have problem with the engine offered no remedy hopefully it just throws a rod and catches fire.
just fyi both 5.0L
I took delivery of my 2019 F-150 with 5.0 engine on Dec 23 2019, its now Feb 8 2020, my truck has 1200 miles on it, if its one quart MEASURMENT between the holes on stick, mine has already used 8 ounces of oil. My truck was made on 10-17-19 at KANSAS CITY. I worked for FOMOCO 30 years retired AND I'M PISSED, I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE ENGINE WAS BUILT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHERE TO LOOK, PLEASE SOUNDING THE HORNS SQEAKY WHEELS WILL GET THE GREASE, I HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED A FRIEND AT WORLD HEADQUARTERS, IT WILL BE ADDRESSED OR IT WILL TAKE FORDS DOWN.
Plasma cylinder lining is too thin. Ford better go back to steel cylinder liners soon.
2019 F150 5.0 purchased 11/2019 And mine has burned 2 quarts at 5,000 miles. My son has a 2015 f150 5,0 and it’s never burned any oil.
The thickness of the cylinder lining has nothing to do with the problem.
Bob, what exactly is the problem in real world details so everyone reading these posts can understand much better what the resolution is to all these 5.0 motors from 2018 on having these oil consumption/burning issues. Just a real question with the common problems and fixes Ford is implementing, please. What can owners many of these high oil consumption 5.0's do to get their vehicles sorted out?
Add me to the list. 2019 Lariat with 5.0. I had to add 2 qts during first 3500 miles. Dealer changed oil at 3500 and told me not to add anymore oil, just bring it in if it is low. At 6000 it was below the add mark, so brought it in. They added oil, confirmed that it wasn't normal, and told me to run it up to 8500 when next oil change is do. If low at that point, they will begin consumption test.
It's not just f150s it's all 5.0 engines 2018 and up. I see a lot of tsbs issues on 5.0 f150 and mustang. Both have deceleration rattle issues, bbq rattle, 2,000 rpm rattle. It's ridiculous I've spent as much money as I did on my 5.0 mustang to get answered with it's normal it's a high compression engine with loose tolerances. Hell my dealership tried putting 8 qts in my car and it takes 10, left oil dipstick out. I really want to like Ford, but they're losing alot of loyal Ford customers from treating them this way.
Here are the TSB's I've found: 19-2058 01 March 2019, 19-2133 10 May 2019 (supersedes 19-2058), 19-2338 12 November 2019 (supersedes 22133), and 19-2365 05 December 2019 (supersedes 19-2338)
Ford has not told us (dealerships) what exactly is causing the oil consumption issue. My guess is issues with the plasma coated cylinder wall and piston ring compatibility or sizing. Ford's latest TSB on the issue is a new dipstick with a wider oil level "normal" range. The 2018 and up 5.0 oil capacity is 8.8 quarts and now Ford says it can be run safely on 2 quarts low as measured at the dipstick. I seriously doubt this will have any effect on engine durability and longevity. I personally own a 2018 F150 SuperCrew 4x4 XLT with the 5.0. Mine used some oil before the first oil change at 5,000 miles. I added a quart and went on about my business not worried about it. When I change oil I always put the full 9 quarts in it as does our dealership. I really wouldn't worry about an engine that uses a quart in 2,500 miles, but more than that I would think something needs attention. Just my personal opinion. Also I do NOT work for Ford motor company, I am a Parts Manager at a small Ford dealership.
I drive my 2018 Chevy 5.3L for 5000 mile between oil changes. Doesn’t use 1 drop of oil. Pretty sad Ford has been making “Great” V8 motors for ages and they still haven’t can’t put out a good motor. Also Ford can’t find out why all 5.0’s still burn oil after 2 years? Are they using entry level Firestone mechanics to test these motors? Maybe because they don’t want to replace over 1 million 5.0’s in the junk F150’s. Ford can’t wait till the Powertrain Warranty is out on these 5.0’s. Good luck to those that keep their 5.0L past Powertrain warranty period. Must suck sleeping at night knowing you have internal engine issues you can’t do shit about.
@Guru2T4QQ, go troll somewhere else. Your post is very unhelpful and pointless. Chevys have their own issues.
Agreed, thanks for the worthless post. Next time sign it captain a$$.
Funny thing is that my oil burner will still out tow, out run and out last his Cheby.
I work with thousands of Chevy owners and the 5.3 and 6.2 and other engines have the very same oil issues the Fords do. If you have a chevy that's great for you and we are trying to keep these boards with helpful information and not just trying to upset others. We are a community and try to work together and just ask for the same even if you just like all of us have other brand vehicles as I have 9 Fords that are great vehicles and a few mopars as well. Used to have a few GM's as well that were all good cars and most of them use oil. As the newer your vehicle the more chance you have of it using oil as manufacturers are trying to squeeze the more performance and mpg from these vehicles. That's why many manufacturers are seeing increased oil consumption due to the higher vacuum source at the PCV to evacuate the crankcase better and seal the rings more is the root cause of oil ingestion through the PCV. For the majority this is the cause and every once in a while you will see a design change to improve performance and economy that can cause issues until they get it perfected. I have seen many of the F150 have coating issues and it seems the trucks that were broken in a bit harder usually have the better ring seal. Either way please keep it clean and informative. Thank you, Joe @ UPRproducts.com The F150 and 5.0 Oil Control Experts
Chevrolet is seeing a lot of oil burning issues due to an entirely different issue, its created by the cylinder deactivation method, causing coking of rings over time, til they will not work in the ring lands, creating massive oil consumption, plug fouling and eventual rebuild. Another engineering nightmare.
I think it's funny that a guy can post something that's very irrelevant to the issue here and get such a response. I bet He is setting back laughing his ASS off right now at all the comments coming in lol, very funny. I've asked very valid questions on this issue as well as advice on what to do with know response what so ever.
Plus Ford isn't going to do a Damn thing to fix the issue of every, in my opinion 5.0 engine built starting with the 2018 model year. Do you all know that they will no longer make the 5.0 engine? I bet not or maybe some do. They're going to a 4.8 V-8 engine for the 2021 year model. I bet they'll go back to the steel sleeves in the cylinders. That will keep the weight down. Oh did you all know why they took the steel sleeves out? It was to shave a little weight off the truck WOW how ignorant is that?
Wanted to share this. I was watching TFL on youtube "This Rare 2018 Ford F-150 Regular Cab is an Off-Road Sleeper - Dude, I Love (or Hate) My Ride!" and this owner said he had the oil consumption issue. His dealer changed out the PCV valve and it fixed the issue. I will be checking with my dealership on this.
I am really sorry to hear about this oil burning issue in such new expensive trucks, my best advice would be to trade in the vehicle as soon as possible. Unless Ford installs new engines with cast iron cylinder sleeves again, the problem is not going away, longer dipsticks, duh, reprogramming pvc, duh. just stall tactics.
Once again funny how no one seems to see my post lol. On the PCV valve it will not totally fix the issue, but it will slow it down to about two quarts per 5000 miles
Can anyone tell me if they have sent a letter of demand through an attorney with any results?
Extra_330sc - What post you are referring to that no one sees??
UPRjoe, if you're following every answer to this post you should have seen them
@Mike. What is the purpose of your post? Buybacks occur with ALL makes of vehicles.
Hey Y’all! There is a solution for the excessive oil consumption in the 2018 Ford F-150. Get a hold of the local Ford dealership and ask about the Ford Special Service Message 19233A they will fix this issue at no cost!
Whatdont... Please give more detailed information on what 19233A is and what the dealer specifically did that fixed the problem. A link or picture to that message 19233A would be helpful.
ringp Here is the link to the Doc https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC- 10160866-0001.pdf
Maybe someone can help me here, another owner of a 2018 F150, 5.0 with what I think is excessive engine oil consumption. It’s been doing this since new. Almost 36,000 miles and two dealerships frigging with it with consumption test. First one put in PCV valve which seemed to slow the problem. Went to another dealer for oil change due to moving across the state and I asked them to check oil level before draining it and they said no oil on dipstick. Went through another consumption test all over again only to be told that it’s normal to use a quart every 1100 miles. At this rate I’ll be only at a quart left in pan if I do the recommended 7500 mile interval oil changes. Am I supposed to buy that much oil in between to keep it full? Hell, at that rate, I may as well only change a filter here and there becUse oil will always be new!
I'm having the same problem with my 2018 Ford F-150 purchased in Jan 2019. Check this out.....They reprogrammed the truck, changed the oil and replaced the dipstick. The nice lady said.....that should fix the problem per Ford. I might not be a genius but that sounds fishy!!! I told her all the smart people...."On the Line" know how to fix the problem!!! Time to start the Lemon Law process.
"Add me to the list. 2019 Lariat with 5.0. I had to add 2 qts during first 3500 miles. Dealer changed oil at 3500 and told me not to add anymore oil, just bring it in if it is low. At 6000 it was below the add mark, so brought it in. They added oil, confirmed that it wasn't normal, and told me to run it up to 8500 when next oil change is do. If low at that point, they will begin consumption test." Update - went back this week to dealer at 8500 miles and it was low, just under the add mark. Changed oil and started consumption testing. Want me to come back every 1200 miles.
Does anyone know about a new TSB issued on May 8, 2020?
Here's the problem folks. These un-sleeved aluminum engines from Ford are junk. Watch this UTUBE video from Scottie Kilmer's channel... In this video, Scottie talks about a CIVIC, but go to the 5:00 point in the video where he answers other questions. He addresses this defective Ford 5.0 aluminum block issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyFuot4PahI
Scottie Kilmer is a joke. He's funny and has some knowledge, but is not an expert in anything.
I have a 2018 F150 16,000 I’ve change oil fore times it burns one Qt every 500 miles Took it to the Ford dealership today.
Read the posts above to see how much good a Ford dealer will do. Read posts in detail along with other threads on this site for ideas on how to pursue a fix. whether it ends up being the dealer, Cord, or the Lemon Law.
Ed, you don't know shit from shinola on this topic. The Ford dealership has procedures to follow regarding this issue. I know as I work for a Ford dealership. You dealer is actually your friend in this situation.
Bob; I do know shit from Shinola about this..... Your Ford dealer is your friend? There's a laugh..... I've shunned Ford all my life: Factory Overrated Dogs. After Ford put a V8 into the Explorer, a friend who worked for a dealer encouraged me to buy one. I bought a 1996. Always had it serviced at the Ford dealer as I wanted to have a relationship with them that would help me if anything went wrong. In 1999, after a major service that included a long list of things, A few weeks later, I had a severe problem involving a front wheel bearing going out. Did a lot of damage to the car and a little to me. I investigated and found the bearings were dry. Repacking wheel bearings was one of the items on the service list. I argued with the dealer's service manager and then the owner. I then went to Ford who treated me like shit. I then sued them in small claims court and was awarded $5,000, the court limit at the time, for my $1,000 deductible, minor medical expenses, and punitive damages to cover what the judge wrote in his decision: negligence and disregard for human wellbeing. I apprised my insurance company of this and I assume they went after Ford for the $12,000 repair bill they paid..... Since then, I've heard horror stories about how Ford treats customers..... About this topic, We've been hearing about this oil burning problem for years and the complaints keep coming. If this is your idea of a friend, get out of Ford and find out what friend means in the real world. The real shit here is Ford and it's awful dealers.
I have 2018 XLT 5.0 sport 4x4 and had engine oil/coolant consumption plus engine rattle noise due to misfire (pre mature ignition) since 16,000 km. Ford dealership has replaced the long block once and cylinder heads twice, unfortunately i still have the same issues and they are trying to convince me now that it is normal. I’m done wasting my time with them and their customer service, i filed a complaint with CAMVAP in Canada and hoping to get a buyback. I loved this truck but i can’t live with a defective engine on brand new truck what a waste of $58k
Bought a 2018from alberta same thing biting 2 quarts every 5000 miles taking to dealer bs on new truck and motor
I bought a new 2019 in March of this year (2020).Engine is the 5L V8. After 1500 miles, I was down almost 1 quart. After reading these messages (and feeling pretty bad) I took it back to the dealer for this issue. They did a full oil change, adjusted the computer setting and swapped the dip stick. I checked oil very regularly and the level held at the full line for the next 4500 miles. At 6500 mile oil change- down 1/5 of a quart. Now mileage is at 10k and no movement or oil use again. I drive around town, highway and haul a trailer. Really happy with this vehicle.