Write your question topic here...why the french are all the cars on this thing japanese/????????? get a real ride highschool punks
because japanes cars dont cost a lot to modify if you do it right. what did you have in mind a old ugly mustang with rust holes in it?
i think he was referring to the people who buy ricers and put fart cans on them and a CAI then think they are fast becasue they have a v-tech. a good tuned turbo import is a different story. nothing is more annoying than some punk in a 4 banger with a fart can and intake thinking they can touch my hemi. put a turbo on and put a decent body kit on with a pro paint job then we are talking something different.
He said japanese. Nothing more. I would love to hear about what he thinks is a 'real ride' and his justification why japanese cars aren't.
the guy talking about fart cans completely understands, and jin calm down pal actually im a truck guy and it gets annoying when them cracker jack boxes get in my way, are the flashy paint jobs so we can see you? XD and one dude cheap? cutting corners is why those cars are junk :) im three times your weight and just as fast, POWERSTROKE.
and id take the old "ugly" mustang anyday
I will agree with you insofar as fart cans/underbody lighting/ and 3teir spoilers on otherwise stock economy cars, but to imply that there is an issue with Japanese cars (as you do in the title of this thread) is not really fair. Sure there are a lot of obnoxious poorly modified japanese cars around, but there are a lot of poorly modified Neons and Cavaliers and Cobalts as well. It's more an issue bad taste, and less an issue of import/domestic. And as far as your last statement above, I'm not so sure you are in a position to talk down to any group of cars on a performance basis coming from a 1991 Ford F150 pickup?? Don't get me wrong, its a fine truck, its just not something you'd tend to see at the attacking the local racetrack, or dragstrip, or winding backroad...
now i understand that Ricer are annoying, even the real tuners hate em, im a Subaru guy myself and i've seen my share of rice. in fact rice seams to search me out. but at the same time i would never go so far as to say that "Japanese cars are crap" in fact that almost comes across racist. that's like saying rednecks can't drive... (don't worry im a good ol Michigan boy) if the car is clean and the only changes are shear performance i will respect it no mater what it is (even a power stroke ;) but i'd never say one countries cars are crap.
So I guess the issue is with what you do to, and what you do with the car. You could have said that instead of making such an aggressive statement in your topic heading. As with every other similar discussion on the endless automotive forums out there, its just personal choice. Japanese vs european vs american. The prices, the choices of aftermarket modifications and the capabilities of the vehicles are all different. I'm biased in favour of japanese cars cuz of the technology that goes into them, their focus on handling, and the effort needed to draw more power out of them due to their smaller displacements. There are plenty of ricers but that's really a kind of choice by itself. Who said that you can't make your ride look sweet? Some go overboard and are obnoxious but you really should check out professional auto styling competitions. That picture was one that i took myself of an R34 with over 1000bhp. Styling with real stuff under the hood.
That is a sweet R34! I'd do away with the graphics, but I understand that is part of the deal with sponsored shop show cars. On a unrelated note, who sees the Wicked White Evo hiding off the edge of the pic! :-D
sorry to disappoint you but that's an STI
Jin's picture? I thought so too but if you click on it to zoom in, its a R34 GTR :-)
haha, no i meant the white car you said was an evo is an STi, i know the black one is an R34
ah touche, i stand corrected! I just saw the fender and was like ah yes, Evo. Guess i should have looked at the taillight a bit more carefully :P
And on another note, there are plenty of professional endurance races around, as well as the Super GT series and WRC which have multiple companies sponsoring race teams that use japanese cars. If they weren't any good, I don''t think that teams would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on them would they? In a market as competitive as the japanese automotive industry, I don't think that any carmaker would produce trash and attempt to sell trash. Doesn't make sense. But like I said, its still up to preference. If you wanna get a Bugatti Veyron and smoke the competition and love the car to bits, hell there's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean that other cars don't have their merits.
exactly thousands of dollars and you can think about competing, i have a banks six gun tuner, intake, twin turbos and RBP dual exhaust to 6" stacks on a 1 ton Ford F350 4x4 and i can still hold my own isnt that embarassing?? 8000 pound truck, 2000 pound car, im still faster ha all im sayin is this internet bullshit needs to remember the american made,.. i had a punk on here tell me i didnt know anything about cars because i guessed the make of some scion wrong.. wtf does anyone on here know how a f'ing roller bearing turbo works or rebuild a chevy small block for fun? and the comment that guy made about "old ugly mustangs" LOL! can you afford the insurance on my stang?? didnt think so. jin maybe you can teach me a thing or to about tuner cars keep it real bro.
hey pal did you look at my new truck?// haha what do you drive im sure its not a 456 hp powerstroke and if you want to play hard ball can you roll with my ride? i got rear ended by one of those tuners, scuffed my mickey thompsons by the way im an american soldier i fight for the country ill comment on whats brought into it..
Click on my avatar to see my daily driver. I'm pretty sure I would be able to roll with your ride. And on an interesting note, I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering and do combustion and performance calibration for Cummins Diesels. I'm sitting at a engine dyno tuning a 6.7L as I type this lol. The guy sitting next to me has a 12 valve Cummins that he transplanted into a half ton dodge currently making 600whp and 1175wtq. I'm used to high powered diesels and they are lots of fun for sure, but they are still not really high performance vehicles, there is just too much weight for anything except going in a straight line. Although I must say it is fun to see a 8000lb truck moving faster than physics should deem possible lol! :-D Heavy respect for fighting for out country too. You guys don't get enough appreciation for the crap you have to deal with for all the rest of us. Thank You for what you do. I'm dead serious about that.
Yeah Tyler, there are a lot of retarded forum jockeys on the net. Most people only learn what they read from magazines lol. I, like Chamal, am an engineer too, though I can only say that I hold a diploma in Aeronautical Engineering. I deal with tens of thousands of horsepower haha. As for your truck keeping up with a car a quarter of your weight, obviously the other guy is a real ricer who didn't do much work under the hood, because theoretically all he'd need was over a quarter of your power to be faster. Those people give the japanese car culture a bad name. I like vehicles that take corners well though. Light weight + Brembo braking system + AWD + 1.5bar boost = killer late apex turns. But that's just me. And as for the cost of getting serious power out of small displacement engines, well, that's the fun of it isn't it? Piping that needs to planned, port and polish jobs, piston stroking and cam replacements, CAI options, and going on the dyno again and again and again. There's a kind of sick satisfaction that comes with drawing over 500bhp out of a 1.6L civic. But like I said, that's just me.
Got to agree with you there. There is something about working with small displacement engines. It must be an under-dog thing. There is also something about a RWD daily driver that is under 3000lbs, has 308whp 281ft/lbs (dynojet, uncorrected, built for spool, not top end) on 91 CA pump gas and gets almost 30mpg on the freeway. That was accomplished with a stock long-block, stock manifolds, no porting and stock cams. Fun-to-drive, braking (custom 13" front and rear with 2-piece rotors) and cornering is critical in my book. No after-market wing. :)
one thing i still don't understand here, is why your so set on your truck being faster than common ricers (yes i agree its true) but when it comes to going fast i'd be weary of crossing the 100mph mark in a truck that size, if anything comes out in front of you there is zero chance of stopping that 4ton truck and even being a truck anything larger than a Dog will still do serious damage. also im a bit confused about the post you made with the twin turbo, and other mods. was that a hypothetical situation? or does your truck actually have all that done to it? the pic in your garage doesn't match. if you do have all that than pls pls pls post pics. also i saw in one of your other replies Tyler, your a Military boy. Cudos on that, i respect anyone who is willing to go and risk it all for us back here. thats one job i'm sure i'll never be able to do.
straight line speed is bull its how your car can handle all forms of driving abuse and a pickup against a tuner in the turns no competition tuners win hands down Turbo lag is god’s way of giving the big V8’s a head start
saying straight line speed is bull is kind of bogus. thats like saying cornering is bull. yes the car would out handle the truck in corners but his truck would also out pull the car and be able to drive anywhere it wanted basically. both have their perks. the intention of the original post i believe was him saying that he is sick of fart cans on slow cars making a lot of annoying noise. p.s....theres no replacement for displacement.
i know im gonna get flamed for this BUT there's no replacement for displacement *Except a Turbo in the Basement* hehe there i fixed it.
haha well thats true except 8 cylinders will always have more potential then 4 cylinders. put a turbo on a 4 clyinder and somebody can put a turbo on 8.
My buddy and i both have cummins diesels and we took his truck and put in injectors, bigger fuel pump, another fuel pump, a chip, intake, exhaust, and a bigger turbo. we look for those kind of cars, race them and take their money. so i dont mind them being out there because usually they cant drive and it is very easy to take their money.
hey buddy i love shear power and there is nothing like a suped up diesel. i got a cummins and daddy has the durmax and we have owned the 7.3 p stroke which was way better then the 6.0.... well any that you for defending our country and the new conflicts that the soldiers are faced with do to the new administration. my cousin that lived with me is in the coust guard protecting our shores. but thankyou for your service
finally some one who gets the saying without being a pain about it. you don't know how many rednecks give me the "turbo can't beat my V-8!" thing. i hate when people think 8 cylinders is all it takes to beat a turbo'd car. we all know that a turbo does wonders for performance. and we all (i hope) know that every car has its limits. also for those with tuned Turbo Diesels you guys are just insane, and i love it. stacks of smoke 30 feet up and 1/4 mile in 11seconds.... just freaky awesome!
Hahaha there's no replacement for displacement. Taking that line from me already? Its true in a way, though there is a balance somewhere for power to weight ratio. Being off balance means either dragging too much weight or having the front end of your car lifting off when you floor it. The power delivery curve sees turbo cars being quicker in sprints but they lose out on the red line. As for straight line and cornering capabilities, I think its all part of the package of an automobile. You can't do without either. Rip any car apart and with the appropriate replacements you'll get a solid racing vehicle.
thanks man it appreciated
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