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Toyota Supra

sorry street racing is illegal... and being a ricer isnt something you want to post online... There is no answer to this question because everyone has thier own taste... If you want a import then the skylines, supras, STI's and EVO's are (basically and i know there are others) top dogs, As far as domestics go the camaros, mustangs, and corvettes are always serious contenders. As far as european imports go they tend to be M3s and entry level mercedes benz... I suggest you find your taste and then do your own research... for me id build a mustang...

lololz best street racing car?? the car that whoops your ass is the best. The car and the driver too. -___-"" The best car is usually has the best driver / intelligent guy driving it. Point being, my old man likes to rev it and go at the lights, from driving 4 bangers to V8's he's pawned a lot of good stock cars like Supras and Skylines to hotted up Hondas. Why and How? Cause he knows the cars' he drives inside and out... he has years of driving experience and nows how to shift and the strength and weaknesses of each car, the engine, the best shift points.. everything. Forget about the car, learn to drive first and learn about cars. Cars are not about street racing, its art and science. Dont be a noob with a supposedly fast car. And as for answering the question, the best street machine in my opinion.... Supra, RX-7 and 350Z - out of those three. But personally, give me an S2000 or Type R anyday. Anyways, what the hell are we answering this for?? Mate, do you even have the cash for the car you want??

clearly the best upgrade you can do to improve performance is to improve your skills... but thats not what the question was... i too have put many a more powerful and expensive car in the rear view lights... at the track and on the street... Powershifting through the gears, heel and toe shifting, rev matching and proper weight transfer and the occasional drift are all things that improve your performance more than your new cold air kit will... (likely cotton housed in chicken wire with a tube made of tin foil... teehee...) i see where your comming from with your cars but i have issues with all of them... the RX7 is awesome but so rare, expensive and difficult to find parts for. The 350z is a nice ride true and it boosts well to 550hp range but after that its tough to push further without major work... The supra is a beast but is very expensive and once again hard to get proper parts for... espically if you go through internals as we have found out recently... But i dont get the S2000 its a decent track car but you gotta rev the nuts off it to get it anywhere... its a slug out of the vzone... for me ill take a mustang or a corvette just because both are reletavily cheap in thier class and very cheap and reliable to modify...

who needs a car? i've beaten a lexus off the line with a stock '78 chevy pickup truck. 350 v-8 and 4wd fyi.

but was the lexus racing haha... jj lol..

yes it was, and i smoked it.

most of the course was on a relatively good dirt road, though.

I think everyone has surmised that you are a PICK UP GUY. You are on a tuner forum, not a truck forum..please show some respect.

and yours was probably all sheet metal and the lexus was probably a four fully loaded luxery car all comfort. wow i bet your proud of yourself.

i agree with all of that except the supra part. parts for that are probably one of the easiest to get because it such a popular platform. now if your talking about quality JDM parts that arent beat to hell then ill agree with you but the majority of parts you can get anywhere.

yawn lol luxury is so boring...

i agree with that. it would be a good daily driver though.

why havnt you posted any comments

not if i fall asleep at the wheel

true it would be a good tree ornament then lol

Hahaha, thats why we love Hondas, we want to hear it scream!! Some correlation of Honda revving and Vtec to sex and orgasms according to a mate of mine. XD As for the cars Ive chosen, each represents a certain class or style for street and mods. The RX-7 is without a doubt a light weight jet, the rotary twin turbo system is the most efficent when it comes to power out of a 1.3l engine! Next car would be Lotus Elise. The 350Z stock is awesome, but open to F.I. You have a point where it gets more difficult to upgrade past 600HP, but whats the point in that? The car is a luxury performance, not performance *performance. plus its sexy. Another car would be the BMW E36 328i Coupe - best inline sixes in the world. The Supra I think is the pinnacle of ultimate tuning. Some say Skylines, but its ridiculous the amount of power than can attain but not perform, wheras the Supra has a better design and is better at getting power to the wheels (I think, from the examples I seen) As for Honda's, I think they are the best N/A platform for tuning, the emphasis on power to weight ratio is a good alternative to tossing in a turbo and making power. The old series TYPE R's are maniacs, the true street car design. Anyone can throw on a turbo, it takes skill and engineering to make a high strung engine workable in day to day life and high performance racing, and tuning it further is a science and art... it pisses me off to see Hondas (or any other car) on the street driven by punks with a farting exhaust and whatnot, not knowing what their cars are capable of with the right parts and simple tuning. Anyways, Ive seen enough high powered Skylines stall on the roads to justify my point. :-)

yes... a Lexus. Aside from the ISF, my sister's old N13 Pulsar can rip a Lexus. XD

i dont think ive seen many 350zs to 600hp... maybe a couple at 500 but they had to work hard to get there... The Rx7 is pretty sweet and it develops good power... but my god if you want to upgrade it you had better be a engineer with a background in everything... There not easy to upgrade without a swap (and then whats the point...) and when they break its usually a write off... The supra is a beast but it doesnt compare to the Properley built skylines by comparisin performance wise... Most of the fastest Supras in the world have skyline engines in them... I have a friend who had (ill explain the had) a 1996 Supra... We built the thing up to 900 hp because he had a inheritance with no price cap... We built the whole car solidly and still it wasnt a hell of a lot more credible than a blown viper... the problem was that we couldnt get a suspension that would allow us to use the horsepower and be reasonalbe around a corner... it just wouldnt work... and nevermind comfortable... He got racing a TT viper on the highway one evening and caught second going for fourth... dont ask me how it got in the gear but you can guess the outcome... I have NEVER seen a engine more destroyed... heads seperated from the block... the internals looked like grated cheese the block was blown apart... it was a good thing he was on 5 lanes of highway because the oil was all over the road... The trubo spun the bearing clean out of the housing and made a little hole in the top of his CF hood... Basically in my eyes the Supra is in all essence a muscle car without the V8 which defeats the purpose to me... (ps his total money spent on the build was over 100 000 dollars... we rebuilt it and he ditched the thing about a hour after the rebuild... totaled and he spent a week in a private hospital...) The skyline maybe isnt as efficent as a percentage being AWD but overall its gonna deploy better As for a Vtec screamer being a orgasam... just no ... just NO... maybe a nail dragged accross a chalkboard but no... no... and i dunno i mean hondas are just not really high performers to me ... i mean the Type R civics are quick but i think a sports car should be RWD or AWD and it jumps around torque steering into every ditch and tree in sight... they corner like a dog lifting a leg for a piss and at the end of the day still just dont look like something that is attractive... its still a civic... and they are definetally not economical... the engines are high strung and need so much fuel compared to the eco box platforms on which they are based... The S2000 is really not a pleasure to drive... Have you driven one??? you will see what i mean... You need to drop down two gears when passing just to get enough torque out of the engine to get the tires moving again... the buildup to the Vtec zone takes a lifetime then you get there and shift again... I cant count the number of times i hear those things go off the rev limiters from people that dont shift quick enough... As a track car i can understand them but as a Sporty grand tourer i just dont see it... And your well into mustang money... The worst thing i have ever seen in my life was a guy with his kitted, blown, neons, farter exhaust and flame throwers on his RX8 revving me at the line... stalling then firing up the car with his foot on the gas to blow the engine... this was after he had the pleasure of listening to my V8 for a few lights... ricers... gotta hate them...

Nonetheless, my truck weighs about 2 1/2 times as much as any lexus, and it's not exactly geared to go fast.

it is about street racing, and i was asking why you need a car to street race when you can do just as good in a pickup.

DUUUUUHHHHH!....Pick up truck? You are on a TUNER forum. You are as likely to reform us to driving a PICK UP as we are to reforming you to a CIVIC! Consider relocating because all of your comments and questions (ON THIS FORUM) are DUMB!

Hahahaha....to each his own. You can just throw mods onto a car, its a science. As for the Supra, why throw in a RB engine? the 2jZ is monster eough in its own right. The only good cars for swapping engines are Honda. What you got against VTEC? the BEST N/A alternative. ;-) I get where you are coming from, Ive driven Type R Integras, the S2000, base models, had a TSX and now daily driving a base RSX.... I think you have to look at it from a non F.I. point of view. Honda engines are top of the class when it comes to pushing out power from small blocks. Torque steer maybe a problem but that can remedied. You didn't mention the RSX Type S or JDM Integra Type R DC5. The thing about Hondas is that they are high strung, but thats the way it works, their engines have a 85-100% efficency of putting power to the wheels, due to the FWD layout and build... their philiosophy is power to weight ratio and lightness, not monster power figures, to which I agreewit. you say they need heaps of fuel, well, you push the pedal on ANY car, the fuel will disappear, and turbos are worse off. The idea with Honda is that under 4500RPM, the daily driving is mild, but cross over 5000RPM, and let it rip. In performance, the car operates in the higher rpm bands, so you would want the most power and the most efficency in that range, thats what Honda excel at. And they are not meant to be straight line machines, they track beasts. I carved up my mates 200SX and a Ford Falcon on a tech track, cause at higher speeds Hondas handles much better than most other cars stock wise on the corners, and once you get to know the car, keeping it high revving is easy. But I get your point fully about the shift work, it is extra work, but people love to hear the scream and trick is to keep the engine high in the rpms. As they say in Honda circles, straight lines are for cars, tracks are for drivers. As for Sporty tourers, the cars that come close to that are the TSX and the V6 Accords. And yeah, I know what you mean about the noobs who can't shift, they shouldn't buy Hondas... then they complain the car is slow. >___<"" Anyways, my uncles cousin has building up a Quad Turbo Skyline... o__O???!!!! - his inspiration is the Bugatti. Psychopath!! the cops are going to nail him someday. 4WDs are better in deploying and take off, but they need more power to get to the wheels, hence why 4WD have higher power figures. A 900hp Skyline is equivalent to a 750-800hp Supra, the Supra gets more power to the wheels more efficently. The RX-7, you need to upgrade, not swap. The whole idea of Rotary is the power-making efficency, why get rid of it? Roatry man, rotary!!! But as for the engineering, what you need to remember is that Rotary's have 3 times the flow, so the starting point is engine internals before anything else. As for 350Z, there a couple guys here who pushed the 600HP mark. But purely for show and competition, not street use.

(Good I'm going to start shit with this one, I just know it) Umm... the reason VTEC's have a shortfall in performance situations is that VTEC was not designed as a performance technology, it was designed to reduce fuel consumption... It gives birth to a very peaky engine that is narrowly confined in terms of performance characteristics... While most cars you can stay in two gears on the track you have to expect using 3 even in small, cone motocrosses. It doesn't matter how quick you shift it's still more time where you're putting no power to the tires. To CAM 'em cost a fortune(relatively), and they just don't do that well without better low end. The bolts on's only go so far to correct a symptom but the fact is VTEC was designed to reduce fuel consumption by making the car more efficient at low end, and isn't a performance technology... Remember VTEC came about when honda called themselves 'the green car company'. (Compare power vs weight of the compairable engines and you'll see that Honda doesn't have much better power numbers, and you can almost write off any overages by the simple fact that almost any non-VTEC motor has more low end. I mean the s2000 peak torque is less than 170 ft-ib at nearly 7000rpm?!?!? (Keep in mind Horsepower has nothing to do with acceleration and is a product of torque and engine speed, and is mostly an advertising point)) That being said it is a flexible system that is by no means prohibitive of performance driving but at it's core it is a disadvantage. Honda makes up any lack in the power train with well balanced cars that are significantly lighter that their counterparts. They are still the gold standard for people getting into AX and rally driving. In my opinion Honda's make good track cars for one reason... Balance.. They aren't too powerfully, they aren't to heavy, they aren't bad at turning, and they stop fairly well... They can be beaten off the line, in the braking zone, in the turns, and out of the turns, but no one can do all of it. Honda is a great car company, but there selling point just shouldn't be there engines. They are good engines but they are not the best. (Granted I don't think any one company can claim that, but VTEC as the best NA alternative, come on. I'd rather have a stock LE5 than a stock K-series)

meant to say (Great, I'm going to start shit with this one, I just know it)... sarcastic tone of course

peter peter peter... Honestly i dont think hondas are the best cars for swaps... and vtec is a tech originally designed for fuel consumption... i would disagree... I think the best upgrade other than NA is either tires or a tune... my choice would be tires for me but its not for everyone... The RSX type S is is really just a teeny car that honda gave agressive timing and computer managment, a set of springs and better brakes... they are quick little things and not terribly priced... but i still havnt seen one break 14 seconds in the quarter (albeit thats only 3 examples) they aernt as sophisticated handling as a Type R civic or similar competitors (the celica is my example here... even though its a dead car now...) They are practical i suppose but there just not proper race vehicles.. As for the JDM integra Type R youve lost me I havent the knowledge to comment if its legitley that good then great... i await to be amazed though... the integras of the past have yet to sway me positively... that includes the one i drove for a week while my car was being held in a impound lot (not my fault i got shot at and it was evidence in a current case) It wasnt good and you really had to rev the nuts off it... NO VEHICLE PUTS 100% OF ITS POWER DOWN never... the best ive ever seen was 8% loss and it was a useless little thing with a teeny flywheel and bottlecap rims mated to teeny tires... of course you push the pedal on any car and the fuel dissapears so why do i get ragged on for driving a V8 even though i get 30+mpg highway... i have a ecoMENTAList putting flyers on my car all the time and drawing on my windows with ridiculious slogans like your killing our mother earth and stop killing the flying squid monster cheese eater from mount-saint-who-gives-a-shit... lol... For me im always driving a performance car... from a cruising rpm of 1500rpm to the top shift range at about 5500 rpm... sure its nice to be in the 3-5k range for me but if i were doing 90kph in fourth (about 2250rpm at most...) i generally dont need to worry about a downshift to get moving... i think it would be a interesting test to see who could travel further driving performance... My V8 or your i4... A 200sx really isnt a sports car its kinda a look at me im drivingthe bottom range eco car with some smoothed bits to make it look fast... (easy datsun fanboys... easy...) and the ford falcon is more of the same really... (unless it had that BIG I6 that generates like 400hp in which case LIAR!) and i dont think the hondas handle better at speed... The tires are not made for it even if the suspension is clever enough to be good at speed... I certainally have spent a minimal ammount of time chasing fwd cars of any make around a track... I wait for a passing opportunity and take it at my leasure... the problem with FWD is that your always fighting understeer... the power and turning has to be done with the same wheels where i regulate torque through the rear wheels and lateral grip with the front... sure i understeer too naturally but i can correct it with power rather than braking/handbraking... and usually i do so with authority its fun to be sideways haha... The mustang GTs are fantastic things to drive and for the sake of your experience i think you should go get a testdrive in the new one here come april... Get on it on a on-ramp and feel the torque throw you back... Its really a different experience... also your gonna love watching the speed clime at the same rate as the RPMs haha... throw it in third at 50kph and then put it down... ur gonna hit 80 at 2800rpm and 100 at 3300... keep it in and ull see 120 at 3700 and then youl get pulled over haha... Its intoxicating... really it is... As for bad shifters i just laugh at them... I powershift all the time... My engine flatlines hp wise from about 4800 to the redline at 6500 so i hit about five and a half and then shift hard the next cog hits in at 6000 and the wheels catch the revs at about 4500 and then we do it all over again... dont try that with a honda... youl bounce redlines, hurt clutches and cause monumental torque steer... a quad turbo skyline is to me old news... to me its overengineered... The proper TT setups are more reliable and generate as much power... but if its what he really wants then great... btw the veyron has one principal difference to the skyline (asside from a 8 million dollar a piece build sheet...) 2 4.0lV8s ... the cars turbos only produce about 4-6lbs each... which is a grand total of only 24 lbs of boost... not that it needs more... as for 4wd being better for takeoff ill give it to them if the rubber isnt up to the challenge of handling the power... i know a STI will kick me off the line... As for Rotary... come on dont tell me you have worked on rotary engines without seeing total engine failure... they aernt reliable enough... espically under high power applications... it could be awesome someday but right now it just isnt there yet... i found 0 350zs up here that hit that much power... 1 at 521hp hees pissed off at it because he needs a full swap so hees selling it to buy a vette... anyways cheers... And seriously go testdrive a Mustang there really really just awesome things to drive...

nah im with you... haha... they are pretty good in most aspects but i like something that excells in some things and is not so good in other areas... that way you can upgrade the weak points and still have the original strong points to keep you ballanced... the honda you would end up putting a lot of money into to keep ballanced and your still gonna be chasing in the end no? My example is gonna be a 1997 camaro SS... FAST straight line... good looking... stops like a firetruck loaded with coal and turns like a ocean liner... So brembo naturally makes a 2900 dollar kit that makes it stop like a Z06 corvette and ebiach makes a suspension kit that makes it turn like its a rabbit... (well a fish maybe better... there still a little sloppy...)

MY GOD THAT WAS A LONG POST!!!

Lololz yeah, VTEC can be a shit storm topic. Dont go post that in www.clubrsx.com. XD Yes, its common knowledge that economy vtecs or non vtecs (ive driven a few) have better get up and go than performance orientated vtecs, and usually better for F.I cause of lower compression. And it was created to impove volumetric efficency of four bangers intially, but of course on performance Hondas the VTEC is a system to mix low rpm stability to high rpm performance... where as economy is just that, like my base, and high end suffers. Your facts are correct, and of course, light weight and good tuning is a mark for Honda, but what stands them out in comparison to other manufactuers when it comes to fours and performance? There are three types of VTEC, the the main two are the SOHC which is the ecnomy one, and the DOHC version with one lobe at the low end, two in mid range and one high power at the top, found in Type R's and such, and you can see the power differences in the cars. yep, normal HP is impracitcal, but Hondas were never torque monsters. Its their design of their engine to be the most efficent in economy or power is what counts. Mate, the S2000 is and others are high end machines, its the fact you need to keep it high to get the most out if it is one of the attractions of Honda. And of course it was rated as one of the most powerful 2.0 N/A powerplants and has tims comparable to its turbo counterparts.... LE5? mate, nice engines, but come on!! Heres some stats to SUPPORT your point. LE5 (no F.I.) 173 hp (129 kW) @ 6200 rpm 163 lb·ft (221 N·m) @ 4800 rpm K24A2 (03-07 TSX) 200hp (150 kW) @ 6800 rpm 164 ft·lbf (222 N·m) @ 4500 rpm But don't dismiss HP entirely. Numbers are show, but the more HP you have, usually means the better effiecency at the top end. Anyways, you got turbo and supercharged models. Well thats what we got Type S's and R's for. A Civic Type R EP3 puts out a nice 154kw and does the 0-60 in around 6.6. Turbo... or F.I?? Well, everyone knows turbos drinks more and insurance companies *LOVE* them, plus the engine has a shorter life span. With the extra rpms to play with, why not Honda?Here in Oz, a guy took a DC2 Type R and tuned it to a 10 000rpm limit and does 0-100 in around 6-7. No F.I. - Honda four bangers beat sixes and some V8s, so whats not so great about their engines?? Lololz... anyways mate, you are right about Honda engines not being the only good thing. They also build great engines which hardly break down (in my experience and everyone else I know) and the quality is superb. *thumbs up

Man, let have my say in as little words as possible mate!! XD!! (you know how fucking long it too me to read it!!! o_O?) Anyways, ill start off by saying that yeah, we all have different tastes, I prefer N/A and no engine swapping and technical circuits, I think you more into straight lines and engineering gormuet. ^___^ Now... 1. Type S was a compromise between the Type R and the Luxury. But it was a sweet package man. Yep, hard to break 14's in stock... but I think a Hondata reflash with CAI intake, RBC manifold and race header, and test pipe and exhaust with a bit of internal work can do it. No need for F.I. XD Now, the JDM models own all the Acuras and Hondas everywhere else. The Teg Type R sold everywhere, unless imported of course, has a few more horses and a proper suspension set up and is around 50 kilos + lighter. If they took out the A/C and other junk as they did in the 2000-2001 DC2 R, it would psychotic. But Jap cars also benefit from the use of better fuel. I dont know about that, seeing as different fuels dont really produce any particular benefit, but in Honda's case, Jap spec cars run much better on their own fuels, which is the best in the world apparently. I dont know the full sciences, but thats what they say. They also prefer Shell. XD 2. I never said any car puts down 100% of the power, I said that Honda's in general are more efficent than others in performance and economy. Come on, why else is Honda using FWD? They dont care about large power outputs or turbos... though their MR and RWD cars are excellent, lets face it, costs and the amount of power lost is bad, hence why they are high power outputs. The new 3.5 Accord V6 is great machine, it does 14's easily. And as for fuel and driving, iyou know very well that large engines are thristier at normal, but when it comes to highway driving is all comparable. when two cars are going the same speed for long periods of time, the fuel usage is minimal in both, V8 or I4. And yep, the advantages of sixes and up, the broad power torque is there... but low rpm. Hence, deep grunt to high screams. XD 3. 200SX i was refferring to is a N16 Silvia, turbo charged, SR20DET. XD Im sure its respectable enough, but thats why there are Type R's. The Ford Falcon is family sedan, stock wise it puts out 300HP but its fat. XD - does 0-60 in 7s. if you want 400hp plus, type in Ford Performance Vechiles in google, and see what you are missing. For hondas, depends on what speed man. And of course, you change the tyres man, noone keeps stock rubber!!! But like I said before, where you need no shifts to take a corner, the Honda you do. I see it as more work for the driver, more skill needed. Mate, you comparing apples to oranges if you mismatch cars you beat. Yep, FWD you fight the torque steer, but you have to believe the control at high speeds... dont know how they do it, but they do. At low speeds, some steering in Hondas are slightly heavy, but start zipping, its unbelibeable. The TSX is a good one, you just point and turn! 4. Mustangs? Everyone loves the Mustangs, I have soft spots for 60-70's fast backs. The new ones are sexy BUT!! Come on, Im from Oz, we have our own muscle cars to leave your Mustang behind. The equivalents are called the Falcon XR6 Turbo(inline 6) or the Holden Commodore SS. Imagine four door family cars leaving your mustang in the dirt. Plus, we also created the Pontiac GTO. And if you want to go hardcore, theres Holden Special Vehicles and Ford Performance Vehicles.... look and try those. Ive test driven the two mention and some FPV's... I died each time and went to heaven. 5. Lololz, shifting is an art when it comes to Honda. its not easy... but then again, I didnt get Hondas to take the easy route... Ill admit, off the line, Hondas are weak against their counterparts, but when they hit second or third, you might as well go home. Its a known fact that even base models, since they have more power in the lower revs, can keep up to a Type S until 60 kms/h until the S goes off. 6. AHhhh the Veyron!! A better topic to talk on!! yeah,, quads are nuts, I didnt know he was doing it, im not really impressed by the setup, Im only impressed if he succeeds. Twins are good, but its a known fact that single turbos are better in producing more high end power... the fastest street cars here are large single turbo set ups. The elmination of lag is minimal if the drivetrain is worked and the shifts are decent... not perfect, but decent. the Veyron's set up is good, but stil, the more turbo's, the smaller they are. The CCX was a good competitor with V8 and twin superchargers, but the new Ultimate Aero only has a twin turbo V8 setup and 100 more hp, and is now the fastest car in the world. Mate, STi's are wonderful, and usually 4wd's get the jump, but then afterwards, it all shifting and driver skill. And yes, Ive seen rotary failures. I had a mate who has a Series 1 RX7, bargain basement performance... but garbage reliability (corner cutter!) - You are right, rotaries need extra care... like Hondas. 350Z I like because its N/A. Simple V35 six tuned like a mother. Corvettes are top speed, but I also heard about unreliability and handling. Personally, Im more of a Viper fan. My choice of American muscle is the a SHELBY Mustang (yep!), Viper and 69 Charger. If I had to have a Corvette, it would ahve to have the old ZL1 engine in it. Anyways, we don't get Mustangs here, Aussies love their own muscles. XD Below is a pic of me testing a BF Series FPV GT-, with a Boss 290 5.4 V8.... But the Turbo models are faster. XD Anyways, good discussion. We need something else to talk about now. XD

Its not the car, its the driver.

BALDERDASH! The driver is 15-25% of the issue. The other 75% is CERTAINLY the VEHICLE. Example, you drive a GEO PRISM, jump anything that is "moderately" quick. NOTICE I DIDN'T SAY FAST! All the driving skills in the world isn't going to help you compete against it. MY CRX is fast for it's size and modifications. BUT, if I know WHAT to line up against and WHAT to AVOID! In those situations, my driving ability is NOT A FACTOR! Like I said...BALDERDASH!

mkay haha... numero 1... I do prefer a NA car with the original engine... i would like to swap another ford engine into my car (a 5.4 or 4.6 aluminator) but thats just not really a option just now... ill have to wait till spring then look at whats available then... 2 THATS A LOT OF WORK TO BREAK 14s... 3. yeah race prep street cars are a good thing id give the left nut for a 2000 cobra R And All i use is Shell premium they just hold their gasoline to a higher standard than most companies... and its one of the only companies in canada that you can get 93 octane fuel from (also some have 95 97 and c16 101 gasses on sight....) 4. i think you have a rev band to use not just for the sake of taking up the bottom lines on a tach haha... 5. ive always taken interest in the Ausi ford tech... FPV is a sight ive looked at before and they have done good things with good cars... The 5.4 V8 they are using is basically a tuned version of the 5.4 that made it in the Ford GT and the GT500 mustangs... the only issue i have with them is that they need to be 2 door and sleeker there kinda bigger and designed for practicality which i suppose some people want... and i still cant figure fwd being better than rwd through the twisties... You just hit the wall when the tires hit the grip wall and thats the end of the fight... 6 I know quite well all about your falcons and the holden cars... The GTO is basically a Holden and ill let you in on a secret the New Camaro SS its a Holden VXR underneath... very little has changed... Ive wondered for a long time why those powerplants are not in america it doesnt make sense to me... Im sure the conversion will eventually happen but i wish it would hurry the hell up... 7... like i said i just dont want slow off the line i want it to be thrown back in the seat... think you dont want a woman that always just slides around you want one that is agressive and bites... well i do anyways haha... 8... I dunno i know that the supra i mentioned a while ago was a single turbo but i think most really fast street cars are properley tuned Twins... Saleen S7TT SSC aero TT I think the CCX is too restricted by its shape... it could go faster with a trip to the aero tunnel... 9. NO STIs are terrible they look like a dog squatting for a number 2 and i just hate them... yes there quick but they should stick to the rally tracks in the trees where no one can see them... ill admit they usually pull a bit off the line from me but weither it be a case of there a shit driver or for whatever other reason i usually pull on them untill were well past the point where most people are comfortable... they make pretty solid track cars but they just dont tickle my fancy at all... there ugly and rubbish... 10... Someday rotary might be more mainstream but right now its just not reliable enough to be a street performance engine. I still dont like the 350s there just a little too close to corvette money... And if you line those two up... its just not a race... and you know that... 11... The vette viper thing is a battle that i hate to take sides on but having driven both i can honestly tell you that the corvette is head and shoulders ahead... Its just not a competition once you drive both... The viper is harsh all the time... unsophisticated, and insane... Which are all good points really haha... but then you get in the vette and its quiet, somewhat refined although the interrior needs the upgrade package... and everything is just better... gearbox clutch feel brakes and throtle response... AND ESPECIALLY COMFORT... and it doesnt burn you when you get out... which is nice... The New C6 vettes are as reliable a car as ive ever seen really especially given how much abuse some get... there not real good for taking 800 hp applications through the stock driveline but there fine up to 600-650hp 12... the Shelby stangs are just awesome personally my favourite is a 440 hemi cuda... which ive only been in once but its just something awesome... Nowhere near as good as a 69 GT500 but just cool... the charger is a awesome beast too... but why the old ZL1 engine??? the LS2,3,6,7 are all phenominal engines... especially the LS3 its just a great thing... Its too bad you dont get stangs but i understand why... cheers...

2 THATS A LOT OF WORK TO BREAK 14s... - Yep. But the idea is NOT to use F.I., In any case, gimmie a viper and get it over and done with. XD 3. yeah race prep street cars are a good thing id give the left nut for a 2000 cobra R And All i use is Shell premium they just hold their gasoline to a higher standard than most companies... and its one of the only companies in canada that you can get 93 octane fuel from (also some have 95 97 and c16 101 gasses on sight....) 4. i think you have a rev band to use not just for the sake of taking up the bottom lines on a tach haha... 5. Hahaha, yeah Aussies love their 4 foor family car, might as well let the missus and kiddies enjoy the fun too! The 5.4 V8 is a monster, but look up the turbo charged sizes, they perform much better - the Typhoon and Tornado. 6 Yep, we calls em the Monaro, a legendary Aussie car. The Camaro (ie Bumblebee) was originally a concept car which was supposed to bring back the Holden Torana - http://images.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=Torana+concept&btnG=Search+Images Lololz, Ford USA dont care to share, so we don't. Imagine coppers driving around in those turbo monsters like we have here. Noone is safe! XD 7. Lololz, good point about the throw back, but I prefer sophistication and practicality... smooth and refined and sexy. If I wanted to be thrown back, Id find a woman and a hotel room. XD 8. Yep, some use the twin chargers, but look at the size of their engines and placement and drive. For a six, the best result for straight lines is a single beef whopping turbo. In a matter of speaking, Honda is supposed to be developing the new NSX... to match the current GTR. since its a mid engine platform, imagine a nice F.I. set up on that! 9. Well, if i had to choose between WRX or STi, id take th STi. But not before asking, "Can I get an Evo instead?" XD 10. Yeah, my reasoning is that we don't get corvettes here. 11. Ill take your word on the vettes, they have come a long way from unruly temperheads to smoothies. But I just dont dig the fiberglass and their bodies. The Viper is meant to be mean, psychotic and looks like it will whoop ass. XD 12. Why the ZL1? Mate, 427 with aluminium head and block over 500HP (not the factory 430) and weighing the same as a 327, can run stock in 13's, header and racing slicks make it 11 - mated to the 1969 vette Stingray- ooohhhh soooo sexy! but it is seriously for that size and build the most powerful vette engine out there. We have stang's imported, but price and such.... old and new. The highlight so far was a new grey Shelby Mustang with blue stripes.... serious shit! O__O

The best racer car factory is located in marinello,Italy:D

90s civic rice machines cant be beat in the 1/8th. but it still doesnt make them cool.

i love this thread, there are many viable options and many rocksolid opinions with lots of experience but personally the cheapest way to go about this is not to think about upgrading your set of 4 wheels but rather investing in just 2. i know im going to get alot of hate for this one but the best street racing vehicle isnt a car, its a bike. from simple dashes to drawn out 1/2 miles or more (if the road allows) a good 1000cc crotch rocket will demolish anything within its price range for the very simple fact of a ridiculous power to weight ratio. anybody who says otherwise doesnt understand that 10 large will buy you a good buy that will leave the majority of these cars in the dust ( provided you ride the bike smartly and accordingly), let the hate begin... ps: my vote is with the r-34

Mach 5. . . but that's a bit pricey.

You wont get many girls in a honda no matter how fast it goes, and as far as best street racing car i would think the 2000's camaro or a corvette. those thing can be tuned to 1200+ hp