68 thunderbird ,oil pan wont come out
i pulled the starter,oil filter,oil pump,fan,shroud,turned the crank to clear pan,,stabilizer
bar,belts.raised engine 1.4 inches.it wont come out whats the deal
they probably used "indian head gasket shellac" on both sides of the gasket...knowing you're gonna replace that gasket could start prying at the cover where no bending will occur (the rolled corners, for example)~ and with ALL the bolts removed, will pry off~ apply local heat to "melt" the shellac if necessary~
i see what your saying ,it seems that the rear of the oil pan is getting caught on the crank shaft bolts.when i move the pan forward. then the front hits the front cross member its so tight.the only thing in the way now is the tranny fluid lines,they are disconnected at the cooler ,if i disconnected at the tranny lines,will that hurt anything by the lines being drained.then i think i can get the pan to move towards the radiator.
the pan is loose and sitting on the cross member
pry the whole affair up with the floorjack to give yourself enough clearance~
does the crossmember remove with four bolts...take it out if this is easier~
or loosen the transmission mounts and possibly the motor mounts to give you some breathing room~
its jacked up 1.4 inched with wood blocks holding it up
that has to be the problem.i think i need to raise the engine more
how far can i go up ,with out causing damage to anything.ie transmission ,firewall,
if things are conneted... disconnect them temporarily...perhaps the exhaust system? wiring harnesses (you don't want to damage them)....just how much extra space do you need anyways?
automatics....coolant lines....speedometer cable....what else?
well the rear of the oil pan where the rear main seal gasket goes is getting caught on the crank shaft bolts
so pushing up on the back...like where the driveshaft is does not help?~
idk im going to disconnect the tranny mounts.then jack the engine up more
we are doin' the transmission here...or is it the oil pan? ---to ask a stupid question~
engine oil pan
the bellhousing has what 6 bolts...to diconnect the engine from the transmission (an automatic...I presume) might be easier than making it more difficult to put back the way it was~
i dont think i have any more room to raise the engine .its hitting on the fire wall somewhere.
basically with a "cherry picker" you are in effect "pickin' the motor up to get to the pan....I think this is what's gonna happen~
im using a jack .and lifting the engine with the front lip of the oil pan
may have to remove the hood to lift the engine...sad, but perhaps has to be this way if the crank bolts are stoppin' ya~
ok thanks im going to give it hell .ill post later where im at
It won't get away from you now....cherry pickers are not too much to rent...perhaps a friend with a garage can loan you one...man, is it cold? I hope that you aren't facing an Alberta Clipper...I see most of the midwest is far below freezing temperature~ good luck thunderchicken68...these cars are awesome...you will make it good~
its a little cold here in dallas /ft worth not bad car is in the garage
omg after 8 hours yesterday and 5 minutes today .i pulled the oil temp sending unit off that was hitting the fire wall.then jacked the engine up another 1/8 of an inch and the pan came sliding out unbelievable.thanks again
sooo... for your future 68 tbird owners make sure you get that engine up as high as possible...thunderchicken
Yay...the oil pump is there...in my experience a HIGH-volume pump is a bad deal....number one, the seals will see more pressure then they are capable of holdin' back, two- as long as there is SOME oil, how quickly it gets replaced has no effect on performance...so don't do it if you're thinkin' high-volume pump...okay....it's like a "heavy duty" clutch kills your leg muscle...and for what now?~none good reason~
no "cherry-picker" needed...bravo, my friend....you seem to be taking this all with a grain of 600 grit abrasive~ I'm TOO old to be doing this anymore...not because my five boxes of mechanics tools remain unused is because my wife does not me to hurt myself with the MS I've got~
what do you mean some oil...
i have the oil pump sitting in the drain pan,
the oil pump gasket looks good ,does it have to be replaced,also the shaft for the oil pump has a short end on it does the short end go up or down it fell in the oil pan during removal i couldn't see how the shaft came out
...well if you're getting any oil pressure it is just fine....picture if you will a little man in a mechanic's outfit with a clicky-oil can droppin' a few drops of oil on the moving parts...as long as the oil jacket is clean (no mud or boulders) you're probably gonna be okay....also there may be a magnet at the bottom of the pan to attract any shreds~
if it's worn or loose...get a new one..they're comparatively cheap~
....okay I need to know like, uh, which engine you've got? is it the 390?
429 thunderjet 7.0 .i went ahead and ordered the gasket it will be here tomorrow,i really want to put it all back together today.oh well im going to clean everything really good and paint the underside.better safe than sorry
68 thunderbird 4 door landau,where is the signal flasher behind the dash i don't see it anywhere,by the way the bird is running perfect now... thanks again
I'd check the fusebox for a round can~
yeah,its not there ,i looked all up in the dash ,nothing
ive been looking all over the internet looking for some sort of diagram or drawings,all the info i can find says behind the dash near the steering column but there's nothing there ,meaning the little can,relay
okay you can see it in this teardown..it's on a pigtail ....round can about driver's chest height~
i dont think there is a can ,i bieleve this is the turn signal relay im guessing
thats for the sequential lights...thats in the trunk...that green round can is an OEM part there~...still cannot find it? tracing the switch connection?~
You've got the sequential tail-lights~?
cant find it i took the dash apart ,theres no relay
my research shows they changed this system 4 times during 67 and 69
bummer...so the hazards switch goes to the sequential relay apparatus?
i have the cover off the sequential motor ,when i turn the signal switch on at the steering column it runs perfect tick..tick..tick..tick..i replaced all the bulbs,the only time i see lights are the running light when headlight switch is pulled.all lights work .
i traced the wires coming from the turn signal switch at the steering wheel,no wires veer off to a flasher relay
well batter me and dunk me into boilin' oil~ just one signal for the fronts and rears (which go sequential...front just stay on...for the cycle) that kinda makes sense...yep~
no hazards either ,im just not getting any flash
ok here's an electrical schematic...to myopic to see properly, maybe here~
one flasher---sequential...the other is a relay...in the trunk~ it this is the right electrical drawing (damn only gave us half)~
looks about right ..i just noticed something i turned on the head lights ,and the turn signal light in the front under the bumper are not on...these are turn signals for the front so if they are burned out would that stop the whole system?
i think you have this dialed in
should those light under the front bumper be on when the headlights are on ..stupid question
the front bulbs look good but don't come on .....getting close but does that still shut down the whole sequential system?
its not there....
items P (the bulb) and wiring blocks K have to be controlled by the flasher unit (unseen on this drawing)~
there is no can relay for this system,
the only way they'd shut this circus down is with the mutual ground connection~
okay....got it NO green can despite finding one to fit this car~
yes i have lights at the dash indicating turn left and right also hazard
but they dont indicate a flash
the front signal lights do not come on with head light switch...and yes they are parallel
your like the little guy on my shoulder i just keep answering my own questions ,thanks bro happy new year
i found this and the emergency switch i have has no knob ..but it show a relay
emergency warn switch could this be the culprit
You know 'thunder, this is only half the schematic...still we must think do the turn signals ignore the sequential? do the Hazards...not sure we're getting the whole picture here...unfortunately the one requires you to add an "Update" to your computer...no can do jackson....just take my chances with whatever free nuggets are swiped and scanned....and they are there...just have to start searchin' proper....info.com is pure madness~ missing knob...no prob~there are skads of NOS parts...just have to look for them~
poured every last cent to have new paint...a retrofit of hardened valve seals and all new bushings on this 1961 rescued from a salvage yard Oldsmobile Dynamic 88...only it drove like hell....slow on the pickup...and bounced around like it was attached to sponges crazy scary to take upwards of 80 mph...and the thing really wanted to go that fast...so watch the body integrity....an off-frame renewal of the mounts...if you can afford this...will make this a daily driver~
hey....that's the missing half...*I think...anyways..do not play with firearms...get some M-80 firecrackers and drop them down into an empty fence post for a rollicking good time without blasting a finger off~
yes it is the other half
You weren't mean to dandy? were you?...poor guy is stuck babysitting...we are all he has~~!
you know thunderchicken68 you will be added to the Experts if we keep this up long enough....that's how I became the expert on cars that I had little knowledge of...by answering some questions about it~...most typical of vehicles everywhere~
the HAS to be a flasher...never seen a car without them~
i know it sounds right .but i keep seeing the fact that ford played with this system so much and they wanted to delete the can relay im serious look it up i think i have a lab rat
they say federal gov. wanted this new emergency warn device put in after 67 making the fomoco install, these switches to better help people on the side of the road
they say mechanics didn't even know where to put them so they put them where ever mainly next to the ignition
....when it ain't there...ya gotta put it there....perhaps you can figure out where to install this flasher into that wiring diagram~?
i got bro,there is no flasher can just relays in the trunk i took them off scratched the surface,to get a good ground,.... turn signals work great thanks again
at least it hasn't got semaphores~
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